Curse

Dougal Kronik · Sep 06, 2006, 09:22 PM // 21:22

Redly, what exactly are you asking for?

You have serious storage issues, agreed. I think everyone that plays wishes they had more storage. You have pointed out areas that you want/need to be viable in PvE and PvP, Eviance has seconded your use of all your armour and weapoons, but what would your solution be?

And don't ask for unlimited storage as there is no way Anet could accomodate all the players with unlimited storage. It's not possible from a programming/hardware perspective.

The contributors to the forums can't support you if you don't ask for something.

Jetdoc · Sep 06, 2006, 09:25 PM // 21:25

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Originally Posted by Eviance

Why is it such a stretch of the imagination to have more space or better ways of holding/storing things?

I personally would LOVE to have additional storage space. More space = more flexibility.

What I take exception to is when people like Redly post their inventory and simply state that they are effectively "forced" to purchase an additional character slot for $10 because they simply cannot play PvP and PvE with the amount of storage slots allotted.

I would love the extra space, but I can manage with what has been provided.

LiamR · Sep 06, 2006, 09:28 PM // 21:28

I have 4 sets of armour for my warrior. One is the 100 AL armour [15k luxon] 2 are the glad sets [I got the 15k tyrian glads first, 15k kurzick when factions was released] and I have a 15k platemail se5.. for not much reason. I have my kurzick+luxons wearing/in a bag, with weapons+shields also in that bag. top row of backpack is for ID and salvage. Wow. Thats for one character. =/ ANET. HOW ABOUT STOP DOING THESE CRAPPY WEEKEND EVENTS [Twice xp from scrolls. Powerlevel ftw..] AND GIVE US WHAT WE WANT! STORAGE! BTW, i spelled it s-t-o-r-a-g-e and not m-o-u-n-t-s or r-a-c-e-s. Listen to the public.

Flamin'

Red · Sep 06, 2006, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

First off, please do not insult my intelligence. In absolutely no part of my post did I flame you, and I would ask that you show me the proper respect as well.

Second, regarding the weapons - read my suggestions thoroughly regarding alternative storage. When was the last time that you were in mid-battle and had to switch from your healing weapon set to your smiting weapon set to your protection weapon set? Honestly, you don't NEED to keep each of these items in your inventory...you simply need to acquire them when needed.

Third, regarding armor selection - you're absolutely right that I do not have any experience in Spirit Bonding. USING YOUR OWN WORDS, the requirements for Spirit Bonding is Shing Jea Level 15 armor. Last I checked, Shing Jea Level 15 armor costs 14 Cloth, 7 Plant Fibers, 1 parchment and 250 gold. Seems like having 5 slots taken up for a total armor set that you can craft with a whopping 500 gold isn't the most efficient use of your storage space.

1. Read the first sentence of your first post again. Nonetheless, I apologize.

2. ... when was the last time you PvP'd for a while with guildmates and/or PUGs? "Hold on, let me roll up a dom mesmer" after the first round, then "ok, let me reroll an illusion mesmer" gets old -real- quick.

Likewise, can you imagine what it would really mean, to have to ask your guildmates everytime you wanted to GvG "oh, you want me to go Heal monk? Hold on, guys, I need to make my way to Kegai." One battle later: "Oh, you want me to go RC Prot? K brb I need to see Gelinda and Yiwong."

One battle later: (etc.)...

3. Likewise, while it would technically work, I'm not sure that buying a new set of armor (and runes to go with them!) everytime I wanna farm is very efficient...

In the end, I'm glad you can manage; but I don't think my guildmates should have to wait up on me, because ANet isn't giving me enough room to really have PvP-ready PvE characters.

Dougal: read post #3 in this thread?

Mournblade · Sep 06, 2006, 11:20 PM // 23:20

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Originally Posted by Redly

Mournblade, you think I should make do?
If I decided to PvP only, I could ditch some PvE items on my monk and have the perfection described above... but because I want to PvE, I already have to make some compromises. The end result?

I have to choose between pure PvP preparedness, and gimped PvP in order to participate with my guildmates in PvE.

And that isn't right.

Yes I do think you should make do. You want it all - you want to run pve and pvp, and just about every build for every situation and you just can't do it. If ANet gave you 10 more slots, you'd fill them up with your two additional sets of armor, or 10 more weapons so you could be more flexible, and then you'd be back here posting again about how cramped you are. Thats the nature of the beast when you want to be able to do everything. So again I say - If you can play successfully with only 8 skills, then I have faith that you can find a way to play successfully with 45 inventory slots.

And to 'ol Bourbon... i'm not actually against more slots - who wouldn't want more? I'm just opposed to people saying they can't play the game properly without the extra slots. :\

Dougal Kronik · Sep 07, 2006, 01:20 AM // 01:20

So Redly, you just want armour storage - I agree!

/signed for some sort of armor storage

Opeth · Sep 07, 2006, 06:43 AM // 06:43

Hint: When you pvp, put the pve stuff on storage, login with other char and put those on that char's invetory, OR
use the same id kit, and salave kit, and keys for ALL your chars....and...event helms?wtf ? you are complaning about inventory space and you are using 5 slots with them ? that does not make any sense to me.

Scavenger Rage · Sep 07, 2006, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by Opeth

Hint: When you pvp, put the pve stuff on storage, login with other char and put those on that char's invetory, OR
use the same id kit, and salave kit, and keys for ALL your chars....and...event helms?wtf ? you are complaning about inventory space and you are using 5 slots with them ? that does not make any sense to me.

I was thinking the same thing...

Latter.

Cymmina · Sep 07, 2006, 03:38 PM // 15:38

I don't know how many bows your rangers have, but mine has at least 9: vamp, 4 different elemental, candy cane, crippling, poisonous (farming), -2 dmg/stance (quest reward). I use the Factions preorder staff for +10en if I need it for trapping or whatever. I "loaned" the zealous I don't use to my assassin, but I would like to get a replacement. I have 2 sets of armor, 3 masks, and a horns of grenth.

My mesmer: green illusion staff, collector dom staff (+1 dom wrapping), Rockmolder, Gorrel's Cane, Garbok's Cane, presear +5 ar while enchanted sword, Garbok's Chalice, Peppermint Shield, +ar vs fire focus, air staff. I've saved on space by going with staves, even though they are slightly less optimal. I have 4 holiday hats, 3 masks, and 3 sets of armor (I do plan on dumping 1 set, maybe 2, after I see what mods/artwork are available with Nightfall). I don't even have a -en weapon yet.

After the major rune change, I switched my armors on those characters to only use 2 majors instead of a superior... but I would like to have a set of masks and gloves that accomodate the use of a superior rune as well. For now,at least I, still have most of my first bag for item drops.

Weapons are definitely the worst offender when it comes to being a storage hog. If there was some sort of storage for customized items, it would make life easier.

Mordakai · Sep 07, 2006, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Why won't you spend $10 for more storage (a mule), again?

You can keep all the stuff on you for PvP, then empty it out to a Mule when you're farming or playing PvE.

$10 is a heck of a deal for more storage.

That said, of course I'm for more storage. Who isn't? But don't act like there's no options available to you. There are.

Red · Sep 07, 2006, 03:54 PM // 15:54

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Why won't you spend $10 for more storage (a mule), again?

Because if I spend $10, I damn well better get another usable character. A heck of a deal? A find that quite against what sold me on getting the game. I expect to be able to fully utilize my PvE character's potenital--ALL of them--without having to sacrifice another slot. Characters should be self-sufficient; having to sacrifice a real character in exchange for a mule is, if you think about, really stupid. I bought 4 slots with Prophecies, not 3 + storage.

Stop trying to say that I should trade out a playable slot for a storage character. That's unfair, when you get right down to it.

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Originally Posted by Opeth

event helms?wtf ? you are complaning about inventory space and you are using 5 slots with them ? that does not make any sense to me.

One wonders at the logic of being called out, for saving something given to my characters by the devs. It's as if we were given the helms, for the express purpose of deleting them later.

And, see, that's my point. Not only do we have enough inventory issues as it is--but then they drop stuff like the event helms in our laps. How am I supposed to feel? Doesn't it cheapen the whole event helm idea, if I know I'm going to be accused of being an inventory idiot for keeping them after the event?

That just seems... wrong, kinda like giving a kid who lives in an apartment building a Go Kart for her birthday, and then punishing her when she drives it outside and the engine makes noise.

I feel a little set up to be honest.

Mordakai · Sep 07, 2006, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by Redly

I feel a little set up to be honest.

Well, maybe you were set up. These games were designed to keep you wanting more stuff, and give you limited space to put it in...

I think you'll agree, though, that buying an extra slot just for a mule is really a good buy if this storage issue is keeping you from enjoying the game.

Hell, I already have a couple of characters holding crap like collector's drop. I'm not using them at the moment, so why not?

EDIT: Just see you've replied to my orginal post.

Look, your character right now is in no way "unplayable." You just can't farm with him, is all. You don't need all that stuff just to play the game! If you feel you need all that stuff to play the game the way you want to, maybe you should consider paying a little extra.

That's all I'm saying. And yes, I consider $10 for more storage very cheap in a game that charges NO monthly fees.

Sli Ander · Sep 07, 2006, 04:08 PM // 16:08

Here's a question: When you first started having this problem, why didn't you just start a second monk? It sounds like you're trying to do too much with one guy(over-multi-task). Jack of all trades, master of none?
I know it will take some time to level up a second guy, but then you have one for farming and pve, and the other can stick with pvp and something else. Or you could just get a mule like everyone is saying.(I don't use one myself, I only play casual)

Loviatar · Sep 07, 2006, 04:26 PM // 16:26

note to OP

have you considered that you are not the developers target selling audience?

that most of the players have (and have fun ) with a fraction of what you consider necessary?

that there are players at the other end of the curve that still have empty slots after more than a year of playing?

most of the players are doing fine as it is .

and yes many of those would be happy with more room but still manage to have fun with what they have.

if you want space to hold farming run items get a mule to hold the things the farming character doesnt need to do his farming.

lyra_song · Sep 07, 2006, 04:27 PM // 16:27

Make another monk specifically for PvP.

Red · Sep 07, 2006, 04:51 PM // 16:51

Lovi: It's becoming rather evident that I'm not the target audience. Weird, though, that they don't choose to cater to people who would like to do both PvE and PvP, with the same characters. Wonder why people defect to WoW, hm......

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I understand other people are saying 'just get another character / make a mule'... but I'm sorry, I don't at all understand this mentality that my monk shouldn't be able to do all things a monk can do.

When I bought Guild Wars, I was looking forward to doing many things with my characters... not having to say "ok, this one will farm, and this one will PvP, and..."

It might be different if we had enough slots to cover everything, but when the default is to give us 2 slots LESS than the amount of primary professions you can make--and moreover, to be expected to keep a PvP slot open..... well, I already don't have enough to make all the PvE professions so I'll have to buy slots. Now you want me to pay even more above THAT to make a mule for my PvEs?

wtf?

This entire dialogue sounds a bit like a battered wife talking about wanting the abuse to end, and everyone just tells her "well stop doing the things that makes your husband mad and it won't happen". That's entirely unfair. There shouldn't be a NEED for this discussion at all.

Other games manage to have armor/weapon/category slots similar to the new materials tab in Storage. Others have expandable inventory, where you might have a single bag in your inventory--but if you hover your mouse over that bag, you can see 20 more slots inside of it for storing items.

Why can't ANet manage this?

Yanman.be · Sep 07, 2006, 04:58 PM // 16:58

/signed coz red is my friend.

frickett · Sep 07, 2006, 05:00 PM // 17:00

I have to agree with red here, $10 is not a good deal for another character if you intend to use it for a mule. I dont think that storage should be for real life currency at all.
Also he is saying that even though he has the option to reroll a new monk for pvp, It still wouldnt be as versitile, so if he was healing, he would have to reroll, then reroll again for prot. Instead of just switching out armor/weapons/skills/attribute points on his pve character.
I also use my PVE characters when i PVP (seldom) I dont have as many sets of armor now, In fact my necro still wears her mm armor when ss'ing. But I fear that if I do start pvping more, I will need extra room to be as helpful to my guild as I can be.

/signed for additional storage improvements. (thanks for the material storage. time for the next installment.) However.
/notsigned if that additional ingame storage costs real life money. Anet already has my money.

Eviance · Sep 07, 2006, 05:02 PM // 17:02

All I have to say is GG when Nightfall comes out people.

The cry for more storage has been an issue for FOREVER, but yet because they keep putting us off and making us wait and so on and so forth, that gives you good reason to go oh well life is shit lets just wallow in it?

Even if he has more stuff than YOU think he needs, he seems quite convinced that everything he has is needed and quite often. If I were you I would think he were over accesorizing as well if I haven't with my own eyes watched him run through at least 5 slots in his inventory a pvp match!

The fact is, they led us to believe that our Tyrians would have more storage space and they have only slightly altered it. Even if he IS over accesorizing we are STILL in need of more storage and that battle cry shouldn't stop just because people are content to wallow in the fact that it hasn't come yet.

If Anet listens so much then why do people like you tell us not to speak our minds and thoughts? If you don't agree, say so - he doesn't agree with what you agree and thusly has every right just like any other yahoo on this forum to post what he thinks will better the personal overall enjoyment of the game. He thinks more space will make a lot of things easier - and IT WOULD! So why argue over it. If you think he has too much crap thats one thing, but saying he doesn't have a right to ask for a better and more enjoyable playing experience where he sees he needs it, is telling him that he has no right to feel how he does... and thats just wrong -_-

He wants more space, someone else wants a hair dresser *rolls eyes*, some others want an auction house.... It doesn't all end from asking for something that in essence would make playing a bit more enjoyable and for others like the OP a lot more enjoyable.

So other people want storage as well but because he has used up MORE space than those people it makes it more fun to rag on him for it and tell him he needs to downgrade? Is it so wrong that he stated his plee differently than others?

My gawd how many ideas have been posted that just seem crap and everyone wants them and then still no ones happy....
Good grief get over it, it's not like this one idea will make things WORSE so what's the point of arguing against it? -_-

If there is a LOGICAL reason for why we SHOULDN'T have more storage space other than "I don't need it why should you?" then post it. Is it difficult to code? Will it cause the economy to crash?

frickett · Sep 07, 2006, 05:03 PM // 17:03

I have to agree with red here, $10 is not a good deal for another character if you intend to use it for a mule. I dont think that storage should be for real life currency at all.
Also he is saying that even though he has the option to reroll a new monk for pvp, It still wouldnt be as versitile, so if he was healing, he would have to reroll, then reroll again for prot. Instead of just switching out armor/weapons/skills/attribute points on his pve character.
I also use my PVE characters when i PVP (seldom) I dont have as many sets of armor now, In fact my necro still wears her mm armor when ss'ing. But I fear that if I do start pvping more, I will need extra room to be as helpful to my guild as I can be.

/signed for additional storage improvements. (thanks for the material storage. time for the next installment.) However.
/notsigned if that additional ingame storage costs real life money. Anet already has my money.